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Suggestion about Meet & Talk forum as well as this forum

Thread Starter: Darius Started: 4/26/2012 3:16 PM Replies: 22

4/26/2012, 3:16 PM

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Hi all,

I don't know what will be your opinnions, but I just suggest that in 'Meet & Talk' forum and 'Suggestion - Fedback' forum button 'Rate' should be removed. I'll tell you why. Once you press 'Rate' button you see selection of 1-5 starts and small description that post was helpful or not much helpful. Now for example how helpful topics can be when speaking about weather, beer and sports ? Even when congradulating each other ? Where is that 'helpful' ? I think 'Thank' button is enough in those forums. Furthermore, lets open any product conference and you will see what topics was rated with stars. Not much huh ? Now lets open 'Meet & talk'. Wow, a post with 62 ratings for example. Also nearly every topic is rated by stars.
For me it's ok, but we refer to user's stars as to his rating and we think (especially new users) that more stars users has more he has knowledge. But now we can have user who just talks in 'Meet & talk' and has all 30 or 40 stars from here, but therefore his knowledge is not so big.
And now what we see: want stars ? ok just go to 'Meet & talk' and publish something which other likes very much. Super ! You have stars.
By leaving possibility to rate posts in those conferences I think we violate purpose of 'Rate' button. 'Thank' button is what we need in those forums.
Please put you opinnion here, especially moderatos. ... and please, don't rate this post even if you liek it. It's not helpful and its stupid to rate posts like this cool

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4/26/2012, 3:18 PM

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I agree star should reflect on you ability to help and not just to joke and socialize

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4/26/2012, 3:31 PM

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Hello Dariu,

I am also Agree with your Point....
I have seen non of the Technical Post having more Rating, than you will find in Meet & Talk..... blush

Thanks Button Should be there Only..... blink

Ammy

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4/26/2012, 3:43 PM

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I can't really agree with your point of view on this, Darius. If there's some topic in the suggestion-feedback or lets say meet&talk area and someone posts relevant answer to it, I don't really see the difference between that being helpful in regard of the original question as much as a technical answer is helpful in case of technical question.

Darius wrote:

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and please, don't rate this post even if you liek it. It's not helpful and its stupid to rate posts like this

It's not stupid to express your opinion on quality of a post, doesn't matter if it's done with stars, thank button or posting an appreciative comment. Chasing for stars and consider yourself to be some sort of a technical leviathan-guru based on the amount of ratings from others that you've received is.

I don't see why people would still care about travelling salesman problem nowadays. You can simply buy stuff on the internet.

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4/26/2012, 4:16 PM

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MM1234 wrote:

So that can be done with 'Thank' button. Normally users here with a stars are referred as people with high knowledge, but from my example you can see that it is not true. Read carefully my original post again and then go and open 'Meet & Talk' forum. See the stars. Nice huh ? All that topics are so very very helpful. And I mean HELPFUL !!!

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Darius wrote:

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and please, don't rate this post even if you liek it. It's not helpful and its stupid to rate posts like this

Yes, it is stupis as stars are not for expressing your opinnion. Starts is letting other members to know was the post HELPFUL or not. What can be helpful in posts, for example, when one user congradulates other user by reaching some status. What's so HELPFUL about that ?

Just to remind:
1 star - Helpful
2 stars - Answers important questions
3 stars - Above average
4 stars - Very detailed
5 stars - Excellent

So what 4 stars means that congradulations was very very detailed ? And IF there is some post in those conferences where answer was REALLY helpful then it means that question was posted in wrong forum.

=== Edited by Darius @ 4/26/2012 4:18 PM [GMT ] ===

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4/26/2012, 4:18 PM

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Well, I guess we have discussed these things in Last campaign too (OR I disucssed with Moderators- I cant exactly remember)

But at that time, moderator replied me that Suggestions are also for betterment for Forum so they deserves to be rated so they cant remove this rate function

But in this campaign, they are identifying useless threads and removing thank and rate buttons from those threads so it is starting to be implemented

Removing start/thank from every Thread is not so good but those can be excluded from Point calculations and if it is difficult for identifying threads for moderators, they can downgrade rating for all these threads say keep it 25% so every 4 stars in General conference is equal to 1 star in Technical

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=== Edited by Vithani @ 4/26/2012 4:30 PM [GMT ] ===
Ok I found - It was in my PM and Modertor''s reply was

Hello Vithani,
i think it is ok that points are also counted in these threads, because it is good for the forum. And helpful answers/posts about making the forum better are welcome and helpful for us. We need suggestions to make the forum better.

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Please say Thanks if your Problem is Solved.. :-)

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4/26/2012, 4:40 PM

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Darius wrote:

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Read carefully my original post again and then go and open 'Meet & Talk' forum. See the stars. Nice huh ? All that topics are so very very helpful. And I mean HELPFUL !!!
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I did read your post carefully before, don't feel the need to do it again, because obviously your point differs from mine.

Darius wrote:

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What can be helpful in posts, for example, when one user congradulates other user by reaching some status. What's so HELPFUL about that ?
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I don't know, perhaps it's helping the person that is getting the congratulations to feel better?

Darius wrote:

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Yes, it is stupid as stars are not for expressing your opinnion.
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So when you think about something hard for you to solve it and decide to post it here hoping for someone else to help you, and that someone does reply indeed, giving you a helpful answer you needed, you don't think it's helpful, you don't consider it to be good, because it helps you solve your problem. You just accept it to be truth unwillingly and undeliberately consider it helpful?

Now that's some brilliant thinking, sir, very well done.

Darius wrote:

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And IF there is some post in those conferences where answer was REALLY helpful then it means that question was posted in wrong forum.

Did you just add this to support your theory as a whole so it's more consistent? What if there is a question/topic that doesn't belong to the technical part of the forum, but let's say to suggestions-feedback or meet&talk conferences, lets say you've got some problem with displaying the forum in your browser which is really critical, and some chap gives you a good well detailed answer/addition of thoughts to it, lets say a great workaround tips how to deal with the displaying problems, do you really think it's a reason to move it to the technical part of conferences?

I don't see why people would still care about travelling salesman problem nowadays. You can simply buy stuff on the internet.

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4/26/2012, 4:50 PM

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I can agree on Feedback forum, but never on Meet & Talk. If good question or tip is posted there it should be moved to appropriate forum. And please don't confuse my suggestion with campaign. It has nothing to do with it. It is very actual during whole year. I don't know if I only see this, but once more time again, please open Meet&Talk and see rating on the posts !!!!!! See the topic names open them and see inside. Why do we need STARS for congradulation and for football and for weather and for beer and so on. This is Meet&Talk for god sake, nothing here can be helpful.
Removing 'Thank' button from useless post is also not a good idea. What if I just want to thank some user for useless post, especially if it was in Meet&Talk ? This is only thank, it soppose to replase those post where you create new post just to say 'thank you!'. No 'thank you' post, the thread is more readable.
Lets return to starts. Please calculate total amount of stars in Meet&Talk. At least approximatelly. Yes, those users with those stars later go to product conferences and make fake impression about how helpful they are. This is not fare if we think about users who search for help. In that case it means that start do not recognize the ones with real good knowledge. Even furthermore there are lots of us who can sit all day in the office and make meets and talks and earn starts. On the other hand there are users who make program, engioneering, go for commissioning and they have hudge knowledge and experience, but they just have no time to waist in Meet&Talk. So those experienced users are recognizes as less reliable because they have less starts. So there should be a balance. And this is a talk about only one conference - Meet&Talk. Do you have something valuable to say ? Ok, go to product conferences as this is professionals forum and all good stuff should be related to the products.
I hope you see my point.

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4/26/2012, 4:53 PM

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MM1234 wrote:

If you have problems with browser than press nice little button called 'suggestions' on the bottom. As I said everything real valuable in this forum is related to the product. Meet&Talk doesnt mean my browser show something incorrectly. And if someone helps you to solve your browser problems then go and give stars in Internet Explorer forums.

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4/26/2012, 5:30 PM

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Just briefly and for the last time, as I have better stuff to do.

Darius wrote:

I'm glad we agree at least on one thing, that this has nothing to do with premium campaign.

Darius wrote:

I don't know if I only see this, but once more time again, please open Meet&Talk and see rating on the posts !!!!!! See the topic names open them and see inside.

Probably you're the only one, yes, or at least I'm not another one.

Darius wrote:

Why do we need STARS for congradulation and for football and for weather and for beer and so on. This is Meet&Talk for god sake, nothing here can be helpful.

Why do we not need them? Excellent things are not excellent because they cover technical questions and technical questions only.

Darius wrote:

Removing 'Thank' button from useless post is also not a good idea. What if I just want to thank some user for useless post, especially if it was in Meet&Talk ?This is only thank, it soppose to replase those post where you create new post just to say 'thank you!'. No 'thank you' post, the thread is more readable.

I don't know, man, I don't really see no difference - thanks is to replace thank posts, stars are to replace "This was helpful" up to "This was excellent" posts, the only difference is the stars do count while the thanks don't. Why? Good question, why don't the thanks count as well?

Darius wrote:

Lets return to starts. Please calculate total amount of stars in Meet&Talk. At least approximatelly.

Nice riddle there, buddy, or was it?

Darius wrote:

Yes, those users with those stars later go to product conferences and make fake impression about how helpful they are.

Do they? Because I don't even think that's possible, you can pretend to be helpful, try to be helpful, but how do you make a fake impression of being helpful? If I have a problem that I kindly ask for help, what makes impression of being helpful is when someone tells me what am I doing wrong, points me in the right direction or eventually tells me what's the right way to do it. It's really hard to fake that as you pretty much see real time the real "value" of it.

Darius wrote:

This is not fare if we think about users who search for help. In that case it means that start do not recognize the ones with real good knowledge. Even furthermore there are lots of us who can sit all day in the office and make meets and talks and earn starts. On the other hand there are users who make program, engioneering, go for commissioning and they have hudge knowledge and experience, but they just have no time to waist in Meet&Talk.

I don't really know what to make of this. Yea, life is not fair. There are people who don't really have much time, but have great knowledge and don't have time and those cases when they helped, the users just took the answer without any thank you or five stars for excellent reply as well. And what about users, that are way too enthusiastic about rating help from others, so you would consider giving it one star at most and they give it whole five stars. And they do this repeatedly, I think that is a big problem too, right? One that perhaps might need to call up some sort of "star committee"?

Darius wrote:

So those experienced users are recognizes as less reliable because they have less starts. So there should be a balance. And this is a talk about only one conference - Meet&Talk. Do you have something valuable to say ? Ok, go to product conferences as this is professionals forum and all good stuff should be related to the products.
I hope you see my point.

I see your point, the question is, do you see mine?

Darius wrote:

Gosh, I guess that answers the previous question. Anyway, I think internet explorer forums it is for sure, have a nice day, bro.

I don't see why people would still care about travelling salesman problem nowadays. You can simply buy stuff on the internet.

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