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Thread Starter: Darius   Started: 4/26/2012 3:16 PM   Replies: 22

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  4/26/2012, 6:02 PM
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Yes, every opinnion is oppinion, but you just take that too personally. I don't see point of discussion which opinnion is better. I respect all of you, all. And you opinnions, but here is Suggestions - feedback forum, so I posted suggestion. Don't see problems here. The ones who make decision are moderators, so let them decide if that was good suggestion or not.
I don't want you to take that all too personally and I don't want to create bad atmosphere here. It was just a suggestion. You can accept or decline. Nothing more. cool
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  4/26/2012, 7:51 PM
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We are members of forum. Is this right? What is the main point in place called 'FORUM'? I think is Meet&Talk together. This forum have some specific structure and rules. Let's keep as it is. This will not be a pain. The "problem" with stars and thanks is during PCampaigns only, isn't it? 

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  4/26/2012, 8:34 PM
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UMENCHO wrote:
We are members of forum. Is this right? What is the main point in place called 'FORUM'? I think is Meet&Talk together. This forum have some specific structure and rules. Let's keep as it is. This will not be a pain. The "problem" with stars and thanks is during PCampaigns only, isn't it? 

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Unfortunately no, it's not only during campaigns. My point was that big part of a starts (real number can tell moderators) are earned in Meet&Talk. And my point was that when one users refer to others they look at the star rating. But what if 50% of your starts are earned in Meet&Talk by making some useless discusion ? For me it means a little bit fake. But that's maybe only for me. If we speak about 'helpful', 'detailed' and so on I refer that to as technical posts. So it's a little bit confusing.
I just wanted to suggest something. I think it's a good idea to have some status here which really tells others about you technical knowledge and experience, but now it seems that stars is not the case.
What about me is that I can refuse all stars from Meet&Talk because it will not be more that 3-4 stars. Other users who are agins that maybe have different amount of Meet&Talk stars. Isn't it ? blink
You can ask me why stars are so important ? Well I can tell that I tale a part in other proffesional-product related forums. There you can get rating just for nice chat and ratings are ment to recognize experienced users. I saw even forum where you can put a rating only with full description then rating goes to moderators and they decide if that rating should  be applied or not. This is good practice because everyone knows in that forum what rating means and how much experienced is that user. This is good in experienced and product related forums. You just don't need to ask user what does he know, and how much experience does he has. I just wanted suggest the same here, but as long as we can have stars in Meet&Talk forum so those stars do not tell too much about user. I was just surprised when open Meet&Talk and S7-300 and compared topics rated with stars. In Meet&Talk nearly every topic in a page was rated with stars (not 1, but 62 stars) and in S7-300 there was 2-3 topics in one page which was rated with stars. So if you look at the statistics then you can see that high rank is made in Meet&Talk. If its ok with other users of the forum then its ok with me too.
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  4/26/2012, 8:59 PM
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Darius wrote:
... My point was that big part of a starts (real number can tell moderators) are earned in Meet&Talk. 
What is wronf here?

Darius wrote:
And my point was that when one users refer to others they look at the star rating...
Aaa this is not good thing for sure. It's a pity if this is really the same.

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  4/27/2012, 8:27 AM
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UMENCHO wrote:
Darius wrote:
... My point was that big part of a starts (real number can tell moderators) are earned in Meet&Talk. 
What is wronf here?


Absolutely nothing's wrong here. Only that bigger part of stars are earned in not product related conference where you don't any special knowledge or experience. If everyone is ok with that than me either. I don't need to look at other's stars and see if it is experienced user. I only though about new users seeking for help.
As I told before there are other manufacturer's forums where rating means something. But I'm ok with either solution. Only that this forum is some very early stage of Siemens support, so I thought it would be good to give ratings only for technical knowledge. That would make sense. I suppose you all agree that there is lots of questions answered here so those questions are not going so support. Think it's ok. As long as we have professional forum here it would be super good to have rating based on knowledge and experience. Just for others to see that we are quite qualified to help other and to help support itself.

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Darius wrote:
And my point was that when one users refer to others they look at the star rating...
Aaa this is not good thing for sure. It's a pity if this is really the same.

Best regards,
Hristo Mihalev


Well I thought stars are meant to recognize experienced users with lots of knowledge, but if this is not a case in this forum, then I totally agree. No need for changes.
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  4/27/2012, 8:51 AM
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Darius wrote:
Yes, every opinnion is oppinion, but you just take that too personally. I don't see point of discussion which opinnion is better. I respect all of you, all. And you opinnions, but here is Suggestions - feedback forum, so I posted suggestion. Don't see problems here. The ones who make decision are moderators, so let them decide if that was good suggestion or not.
I don't want you to take that all too personally and I don't want to create bad atmosphere here. It was just a suggestion. You can accept or decline. Nothing more. cool


I hope you didn't take it personally, because sure I did not. Sometimes I might get a bit caught into a drift of what I'm writing and tend to do dramatize the words a bit, so sorry if there was some offense taken as it was not ment. And exactly, one opinion, another one, two people with different point of view can hardly agree, if they both insist on their PoV being the right one. Beauty of a forum is that even though two people in a discussion might seem to be divided, it can help unite many other users and/or even form up some improvements for the future. Even Devil should have his advocate. :-]

Darius wrote:
What about me is that I can refuse all stars from Meet&Talk because it will not be more that 3-4 stars. Other users who are agins that maybe have different amount of Meet&Talk stars. Isn't it ?


I don't know if you mean me in particular here, it's probably true. Then again, I couldn't care less, so please, moderators, if you are reading this, feel free to set my amount of stars to -100.000.000 as I don't know anything so useful and perhaps never will.

Btw, Darius, have you heard about users denoted as "Experts" in certain discussions?



=== Edited by MM1234 @ 4/27/2012 8:52 AM [GMT ] ===
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I don't see why people would still care about travelling salesman problem nowadays. You can simply buy stuff on the internet.
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  4/27/2012, 9:04 AM
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I hope you didn't take it personally, because sure I did not. Sometimes I might get a bit caught into a drift of what I'm writing and tend to do dramatize the words a bit, so sorry if there was some offense taken as it was not ment. And exactly, one opinion, another one, two people with different point of view can hardly agree, if they both insist on their PoV being the right one. Beauty of a forum is that even though two people in a discussion might seem to be divided, it can help unite many other users and/or even form up some improvements for the future. Even Devil should have his advocate. :-]


No offence my friend cool. Sometimes I'm also too hard on my speach, but never want to offend someone. It's a pleasure to be here and have friends like you, like UMENCHO, Marcjan and many many other who are here and share their experience.

MM1234 wrote:

I don't know if you mean me in particular here, it's probably true. Then again, I couldn't care less, so please, moderators, if you are reading this, feel free to set my amount of stars to -100.000.000 as I don't know anything so useful and perhaps never will.


No, I didn't mean you. I don't believe that there are any users who has 100% of stars gained just in simple discussions. And don't be so hard on your stars. Again, they are important, believe me, lots of users refer them to as your experience. So if you have -1000 stars then you don't look so nice for other who just don't know you blush. In that case other users need to go to your posts and see if you are really helpful grin. So stars saves lots of time for others.

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Btw, Darius, have you heard about users denoted as "Experts" in certain discussions?


Yes, I know, but I remember one discussion. People was discussing if Expert answer is more better than just regular user. All agree that not exper can be as helpful as expert, sometimes even more. So there we need stars. New users can refer to stars as to expert name. So its 50:50. Also, when you are expert, its more like resposibility to be active and helpful. Offcourse you need to be real expert in that category first grin.
So that's my thoughts cool
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  4/27/2012, 9:59 AM
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Hello,
together first thank you for all your suggestions, and we will make a list of all your suggestions and discuss them after the campaign.
But here i have some ideas which are against your suggestion.
  • First we have technical discussions also in meet & talk conference.
  • Than also posts in meet & talk can be helpful
  • And i think the wording behind the stars is just some kind of guide. I think it is more like "1star= not so good post up to 5star perfect post"
  • As we have the possibility to remove the rate and thank buttons together manually, i think there is no need for that. If you want to say thank you in meet & talk you can also write a post.
I hope you understand that.

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  4/27/2012, 10:03 AM
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Off course I understand. That was only a suggestion
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  4/27/2012, 10:05 AM
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Darius wrote:
Yes, I know, but I remember one discussion. People was discussing if Expert answer is more better than just regular user. All agree that not exper can be as helpful as expert, sometimes even more. So there we need stars. New users can refer to stars as to expert name. So its 50:50. Also, when you are expert, its more like resposibility to be active and helpful. Offcourse you need to be real expert in that category first


I remember that discussion, yes, I was one of the people writing there I think. And yes, exactly, the expert status doesn't 100% mean that your reply will always help to solve the issue. But neither will a full sky of stars.

Then again, if one is denoted as Expert, there is probably reason for it, same as if someone has a full load of stars. The only difference I see is, that expert rank is given by moderators while stars are sort of a "ranking" given by users themselves.

I don't know, it's really like two different sides which both are completely valid (imo) and one cannot cope with the other, so perhaps we should ask moderators in parallel universe to set it the other way and then see... Rnf:lblSmileyTooltip_

Anyway, now we've got our precious moderator answer here, yay! Rnf:lblSmileyTooltip_
I don't see why people would still care about travelling salesman problem nowadays. You can simply buy stuff on the internet.
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