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Erstellt von Preetbrar am 09.05.2012 15:57 (39 Antworten)

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  06.06.2012, 04:05
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Preetbrar wrote:
Tried a lot using different communication options, but not able to connect Multiranger to PC. Now I am planning to take this multiranger and transducer to my workshop and work out there. Any suggestions before i remove it?

Regards,

Davinder Singh


 Hi Davinder,

Please see my information attached. Hope this will help

Regards
chook

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  06.06.2012, 09:02
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Dear Chook & Sonic Ranger,

Thanks for your help, I have taken out the unit and travelling back to office. Tomorrow I should reach there,  will update you in 2-3 days time as I have 2 more sites to visit.

Honenstly, people like you in forum are much more helpful than the local support of Siemens.

Thanks and best regards,

Davinder Singh
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  06.06.2012, 09:03
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Chook,

I think your document is helpful, but please correct the P770, value 1 stands for Dolphin protocol. Furthermore. Com settings in windows are not important, they will be automatically overridden by Dolphin Plus (I never have changed these, except FIFO buffers for using PDM).
Davinder, see if you can find com settings in Dolphin Plus, and check if they match with the settings made in the multiranger (I think they must be right). Right from the toggle offline / online button in dolphin plus, you can open the "com monitor" which gives you information about the traffic, so you can check if the multiranger gives any response.

I remember one site visit where the customer had installed a multiranger 100 230VAC, but powered it up with 24 V dc. This caused the multiranger to go "half" in operation, have you already checked the power?
About testing the multiranger in the workshop: see if you can find an extra transducer. If your XRS-5 has failed, you can at least compare it to a good one.

Regards,

SonicRanger.
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  06.06.2012, 09:48
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SonicRanger wrote:
Chook,

I think your document is helpful, but please correct the P770, value 1 stands for Dolphin protocol. Furthermore. Com settings in windows are not important, they will be automatically overridden by Dolphin Plus (I never have changed these, except FIFO buffers for using PDM).

Regards,

SonicRanger.


Hi SonicRanger,

 You're correct, the description P770 = 1 stands for Dolphin.
Most of time I use PDM too, so I could mix up the texts at P770.
If you don't want to check the com setting, you may have a break communication with some low level of window service packs.
 
Have a nice day
Regards,
chook
   
 


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  06.06.2012, 11:17
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If you make your own RS-232 cable, be sure to check for the correct pin-out.  For years, the  RJ11/DB9 adapters were color coded and all were the same.  I ran into one recently that was miswired, with the color coded wires internally connected incorrectly.   I've also had cables go flakey, as I wrote in a recent blog:

http://blog.lesman.com/2012/05/24/troubleshooting-comms-simatic-pdm-connect-to-siemens-multiranger-or-hydroranger/#more-745

Early version MultiRangers came with P770 configured to code 1 for Dolphin.
Recent MultiRangers now come with P770 default to code 3 for Modbus for use with PDM.  (I do not know the date when the switch-over occurred)
If you're running Dolphin software, P770 needs to be code 1.
The word format (8 bits, no parity, 1 stop bit) is the same for PDM or Dolphin.  Baud rate has to match that configured in PDM, but Dolphin defaults to 115k. 

There are two serial ports, the RJ-11 RS-232 port and the screw terminal RS-485 port.
The RF-11 RS-232 port is index 1.
The screw terminal RS-485 port is index 2. 
Each index can be independently configured, one for Dolphin, one for Modbus (PDM), but whichever port you connect to needs to be configured properly.

Be sure that serial port on your PC is available and has not been grabbed by some other application or service.   Some industrial communication application (read that as PLC comm services, like RSLinx) apps/services grab and do not release the serial port.  If you can't do a loopback with hyperterminal, the port is not free.

Chook: bottom on page 2 of your document,
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Parameter :
P770 : 1  << Port Protocol Modbus RTU >>
P771 : 1  << Network Address >>
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the P770 should be:   P770:  1 << Dolphin >>

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  06.06.2012, 21:16
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Further to my bad luck my flight got cancelled after staying 8 hours on airport due to bad weather. I have few queries regarding the pulse output of MAG5000. There are almost 12-13 MAG5100W + MAG5000 are installed on site. So far client had issues regarding the flow rate which I checked and convinced them Flow Meters are working fine. Analogue output is coming perfectly and showing in SCADA. Totaliser showing its reading in Transmitter, but when we try to communicate through pulse output it shows NC in PLC. I checked all the cabling and found it is correctly done. Connections are as follows:

Passive output
56: Positive is connected for 24V DC input.
57: connect to PLC for pulse output.

When I configure Pulse  then also it shows NC and when I change it OFF, it still show same NC in PLC. If anyone have wiring, to PLC do let me know? We are using S7-200 for RTU Panel.

I need help on this as I suck at Wiring part. I have to come back to site for commissioning of Level Transmitters and FM again, I don't want to come again with no answer from my side.

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Davinder Singh



 
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  07.06.2012, 01:36
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>Passive output
56: Positive is connected for 24V DC input.
57: connect to PLC for pulse output.

What's missing from this description compared to the passive output wiring on page 52, 7.1 Electrical Connection of the Mag 5000/6000 manual?
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danw wrote:

Chook: bottom on page 2 of your document,
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Parameter :
P770 : 1  << Port Protocol Modbus RTU >>
P771 : 1  << Network Address >>
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the P770 should be:   P770:  1 << Dolphin >>



Hi Danw,
The above Sonicranger has already told me about this. Anyway a good caught by your chance.
 
I have adready fixed  for the new attchement here.

Cheers
chook

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 Hi Davinder,
 my point of view, when I do a service, I should have a spare unit in hand to compare with the one has installed on the PLC system.  If  without a spare unit, you will spend a lot of time to find an invisible error. Also a full training is necessary for the field jobs. Try to think & work out this issue with manager !

 

 Have a good luck.
chook
 


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  28.06.2012, 20:04
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Hello Preetbrar

    You can help us to help you by giving us the following values:

P807 (Noise)  read only
P806 Echo Strength
P805 Confidence

For 806 and 805, press the measure key at least 3 times with 10 seconds between each press and provide us an avergae reading.  The format will be xx:yy

Regards

Toppie  [ |:)
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