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Thread Starter: Jasner   Started: 7/7/2008 7:50 PM   Replies: 3

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Hello experts,

I have a question regarding measuring very small pressure with SITRANS 7MF4332-1D transmitter.
I have read how this transmitter works in general manual. However I'm not sure about one thing. I have read that this tranmitter has a measuring span from 8.3 mbar to 250 mbar. This is below normal athmospheric pressure. Is it possible to calibrate transmitter in the following way: LRV: -50, URV 50 mbar? I have heard of this but don't know how to interprate this. I suspect that this value of -50 mbar, means 50 mbars below normal atmospheric value of P = 1.013 bar?
I think that this transmitter has reference vacuum which is very smal pressure (smaller than 8.3 mbar) and that it measure actual pressure.
Can someone explain this in more details?

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 Hello Jasner,

 The pressure supplied is too low into your project, can you pls contact direct to factory for more detail ?

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Hello Jasner,

To answer your questions, yes and yes,  it is possible to calibrate the transmitter in such way and a pressure of -50 mbar means 50 mbar bellow atmosferic pressure.

The only thing you have to do is to set the zero of the absolute pressure transmitter to 963 mbar a (absolute) and the span to 100 mbar a (absolute).

I recomend you to read about the types of pressure: gauge, absolute and differential in order to understand this.

Regards,

Uriel Chavesta



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By now, this is 4 year old thread, but the assertion that an absolute pressure transmitter can
 - be configured for negative LRV, -50 mbar
 - would measure without excessive error
should be explained.

Which model is under discussion, absolute or gauge pressure?
The current catalog (2012) does not list a 7MF-4332 model, but it does list a 7MF-4333 model which
 - is an absolute pressure transmitter
 - has an identical range, 8.3mbar a to 250mbar a,
so I'll assume that the model under discussion is an absolute pressure model.

Further to the point, the original poster's (OP) statement, "this is below normal atmospheric pressure" demonstrates that the range 8.3 to 250 mbar is understood to be absolute, and should be stated as 8.3 to 250 mbar a; a for absolute.

The original intention appears to be to get a 50mbar below atmosphere measurement.   The only way to get a reliable reading below atmosphere is to have a reference to atmosphere.  To do so, a gauge pressure transmitter is needed, because a gauge pressure transmitter is referenced to atmosphere.  An absolute pressure transmitter does NOT have a reference to atmosphere; the reference for an absolute pressure transmitter is absolute zero.  A measurement of -50 mbar a is impossible because it is below absolute zero.   A measurement of -50 bar g is possible with an appropriate model pressure transmitter.

As proposed, an absolute pressure transmitter with a sufficient range could be ranged so that it measures pressure above and below an average atmospheric pressure, but
 - the transmitter model in question is incapable of measuring the proposed range; its URV (upper range value) maxes out at 250mbar absolute, which is approximately 760mbar below the 'standard' 1013.23 mbar a atmospheric pressure.
- such a measurement (with a transmitter capable of that range) would have a constant error due to elevation above sea level and a continuous, dynamic error that changes with the barometric pressure and the weather. 

For the relatively low span of 300mbar that was mentioned, such an error would constitute a considerable percentage of the reading, on the order of 10's of percent. 

The historical barometric pressure extremes for Chicago, IL are 971mbar to 1049 mbar, a span of 78mbar.   Extremes are just that, extreme, so halving the span of extremes from 78 mbar to 39 mbar would still produce, over time, an error of 39/300 or 13% of span.   Not exactly an accurate measurement because its reference point, absolute zero, is incorrect, when it should atmospheric pressure (which is what a gauge pressure transmitter does by definition).

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